Podcasts & Videos
- 2026
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The Future of Software Development: Embracing AI and Quality
One chapter is all about Gas City at 100 agents, 23 repos and 70+ PRs a day. My pull quote: “Agents can’t smell shit, so we need to write quality down.”
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Gas Town Refinery #1 - Watch Steve Yegge use Jane Austen to run Gas Town!
The inaugural episode. I asked Steve about Beads, Gas Town and Gas City, and then he gave an extended demo of using Gas Town to build Gas Town.
- 2025
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Humpday Q&A/AMA with Chris Sells :: 5th November 2025
I was the guest expert, with Simon, Randal, Danielle and Matthew as the regulars.
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#9 - Prompt, Code, Think: Agentic AI in Dart with dartantic_ai
This streamed the day before my dartantic_ai 1.0 announcement post went up.
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“Don’t Wait To Be Hired!” Chris Sells about Young Devs, Future of Coding and AI | Promptonomics #1
Their very first episode, on how new software engineers should work differently in this era of AI. It reminded me of a conversation with a college grad, so I wrote that up, too.
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Roadmap’s Chris Sells on What AI Should (and Shouldn’t) Do; LLM Fit, PM Frameworks, Agentic QA
My critique of today’s agent UX: “We’re building dogs that run into glass doors.”
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Roadmap’s Chris Sells on Jr. SWEs vs. AI, Tool Calling, and Choosing Between LLMs and ML
I kicked this one off with dartantic_ai, the Dart agentic framework I’d just built.
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Roadmap’s Chris Sells on How Far AI Can Take Us? MVPs, Trust, and Agent Swarms
One obsession for the whole session: “How far can you take a new product without a human in the loop?”
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Flutter: The Last UI Framework
My case for where Flutter is heading and why it keeps spreading beyond mobile.
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More Flutter and Dart and AI, Oh My!
The sequel to my 2024 talk. FlutterCon in New York is also where I launched dartantic 0.9.7.
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On Auditing Agentic Software Development
PMs are going to have to reimagine software development from the bottom up for a world of AI agents.
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Agentic apps, part 3 | Observable Flutter #61
Part 3 is where we actually got something working in our headline-to-photo pipeline, powered by Gemini and Vertex AI.
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Flutter Puts Go Router Into Maintenance Mode ft Chris Sells
go_router is a package near and dear to my heart. I started it, and I’m still the first individual listed in its AUTHORS file.
- 2024
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Mobile, Augmented Reality, and AI with Chris Sells
Carl and Richard reminded everyone that I’d been their guest on episode 10 back in 2002. That’s 22 years and 1,910 episodes ago.
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Dart and Flutter and AI, Oh My!
This is where I started giving Flutter talks again after leaving Google.
- 2023
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Developer Ecosystems: build yours for projects big and small
Last time I was in Warsaw, I learned that Poland makes the world’s most dangerous alcohol. I don’t remember much about the evening, but the morning after taught me to avoid the krupnik.
- 2022
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Flutter for Windows with Chris Sells
Flutter’s hardware abstraction is what let the ecosystem take it to even more platforms.
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Flutter for Windows with Google’s Chris Sells
Flutter for Windows had shipped the month before, so Scott wanted to know how it works and how it’s architected.
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Flutter Update: Windows
This is how we announced that Flutter 2.10 could build Windows apps.
- 2021
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Modern Flutter App Features [Google Between The Brackets 2021] (Episode 11)
The bio says I enjoy “long walks on the beach and various technologies.” Material You support and a new app template were on the agenda, too.
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Flutter Navigator 2.0 made easy with go_router! Pair programming with Chris Sells, Flutter PM!
We pair programmed Majid’s app from Navigator 1.0 to 2.0 with go_router, one step at a time.
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4th Flutter Greek Community Meetup
An AMA on all things Flutter 2.5 and beyond, sharing the bill with Simon Lightfoot’s e-commerce case study.
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Go Router - Flying High with Flutter #30
One of Allen’s questions: “Can you promise it’s actually one codebase and everything runs fine?”
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Humpday Q&A/AMA :: Chris Sells from the Flutter Team, and go-router! :: 6th Oct 2021
Their words, not mine: go_router “just might be the best thing ever in Flutter Navigation.” : )
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Flutter Q&A with Chris Sells, Senior Product Manager at Google on Flutter — Part 2
My one performance tip: “Flutter DevTools, learn it, live it, love it.”
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Flutter Development Experience with Chris Sells
Vince had me explain what metrics we consider when picking packages for the Flutter Favorite program.
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What’s new in Flutter | Keynote
Zoey and I walked through what’s new since Flutter 2.0, including Flutter Fix, which updates your code for you when an API changes.
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Flutter Q&A with Chris Sells, Senior Product Manager at Google on Flutter [Webinar]
Asked about Flutter’s future at Google, I said “we couldn’t cancel it if we wanted to. And we very much do NOT want to.”
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Flutter Engage - Extended Denver
According to the organizers, I answered all their Flutter questions. I’ll take it.
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Flutter Engage Extended: Q&A with Chris Sells (QC Flutter, S3)
Questions ranged from whether WebAssembly has a future in Flutter for web to what I personally wished Flutter offered.
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Flutter Engage Extended Mumbai
I took a 30-minute #AskFlutterMumbai Q&A slot right after Deven Joshi’s talk on generative art in Flutter.
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Flutter Engage Extended - North America
I sat on the developer panel with Randal Schwartz, following Faisal Abid’s Flutter Engage recap.
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Chris Sells
My fifth time on Hillel’s show, and the notes link back to the other four.
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069 - Flutter and PWAs with Chris Sells
My family won’t play backgammon with me anymore, so I play the robots on FIBS, a text-only telnet server that’s been running since the early ’90s.
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WoC - Tech Talk: Flutter Q&A | Chris Sells
A Flutter Q&A for the Developer Student Club at IIIT Kalyani, as part of their Winter of Code.
- 2020
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Q&A with Sr Product Manager Chris Sells at Google
The questions covered product management, not just Flutter.
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Fireside chat with Chris Sells, Sr. Product Manager @Flutter
Billed as “a candid conversation,” including what your career prospects look like as a Flutter developer.
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The Flutter Multi-Platform Ecosystem with Chris Sells
Daliso and I covered Navigator 1.0 vs. 2.0 and getting Flutter for Windows to alpha.
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Using Flutter with GraphQL - A chat with Chris Sells, Ashwin Goyal & Tanmai Gopal
Ashwin was from Swiggy, Tanmai was from Hasura, and I was the Flutter guy.
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Flutter Day Meetups Vikings Edition! Q/A session with Chris Sells, PM Flutter development experience
More than a dozen GDGs, Flutter meetups and Women Techmakers groups across Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland co-hosted. That’s a lot of Vikings. : )
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#17 Flutter Day 2020
The show notes (in Russian) say I let slip a little about Flutter for Windows’ prospects. Oops.
- 2019
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Chris Sells
A week after Flutter 1.12 shipped, with the brand-new Flutter Favorite program and the Provider packages to talk about, too.
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Product Keynote (Flutter Interact ’19)
This is where I showed off Flutter Octopus. My Flutter 1.12 post that same day touted simultaneous multi-device debugging in Visual Studio Code.
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Chris Sells - Flutter for Developers!
Back in front of my Portland crowd, building a Flutter app from scratch with live coding.
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Martin Aguinis & Chris Sells
We pointed folks at Flutter Create and the new Flutter for web samples.
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Ian Hickson & Chris Sells
With Hixie on, the show notes link his “The Mahogany Staircase” talk on Flutter’s layered design.
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Interview With A Googler | Chris Sells | Episode 01 | Flutter Q&A
Pawan’s very first episode, full of questions his viewers suggested.
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Chris Sells
My first time on Hillel’s show, back when I was the PM responsible for the Flutter developer experience.
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Flutter for Developers (Mobile World Congress ’19)
Matt live-coded a Flutter app in under 20 minutes, and we still had time for the Flutter 1.2 updates.
- 2017
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Play by Play: Google Cloud Platform, Windows/.NET
Unrehearsed and unscripted. We deployed ASP.NET “Classic” apps to Compute Engine and ASP.NET Core containers to App Engine in real time.
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Happy Birthday .NET with Chris Sells
I showed up at the big .NET birthday bash as a Google PM among all the Microsoft alumni and told a few stories.
- 2016
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Windows and .NET with Chris Sells and Amruta Gulanikar
I was the lead PM for Cloud Developer Tools at the time, so Amruta and I covered Google Cloud’s tooling and libraries for Windows and .NET.
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Chris Sells Makes ASP.NET Apps First-Class Citizens on Google Cloud Platform
The pitch: you might not know how well Google Cloud supports ASP.NET apps. “Let’s change that right now.”
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.NET on Google Cloud with Chris Sells
Back on the show after three years and a career change. I was at Google now!
- 2015
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Google Cloud Developer Experience with Chris Sells
How I described my job: “The old CEO at Microsoft… would leap up on stage and say, ‘Developers, developers, developers.’ That’s what I do.”
- 2013
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Hello World Podcast: Episode 3 - Chris Sells
Recorded at the MVP Summit, which explains the background noise. Shawn introduced me as the best man at his upcoming wedding.
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TypeScript and More with Chris Sells
We started with Mono taking .NET beyond Windows and ended on Telerik’s Icenium, with TypeScript in the middle.
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Yet Another Podcast #97–Chris Sells and the last 20 years
Jesse and Jon walked through my whole career, from Intel and DevelopMentor to Microsoft and Telerik.
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Intro to TypeScript with Chris Sells
I was running Telerik’s Developer Tools Division by then, and I showed the Sydney .NET folks how TypeScript applies to Windows 8.
- 2012
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Sells and Hanselman Together in Portland on the Road Trip
Scott and I on the same stage at the same time, in front of 200 folks in Portland. Have a listen.
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Telerik Interview Series: Chris Sells on Windows 8 and Telerik
Richard said I’d traded the Microsoft blue for the Telerik green. Q2 2012, my first end-to-end Telerik release, had shipped the day before.
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Yet Another Podcast #66–Chris Sells
Still new at Telerik, so Jesse got me talking about that, Win 8 and my history in the business.
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Chris Sells Unplugged!
My last year at Microsoft was JavaScript in Windows 8, culminating at //build/. Then it was off to Telerik.
- 2011
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Tools for building Metro style apps (BPS-1006)
Kieran and I launched the Visual Studio 11 tools for Windows 8 here. He will forever be my //build/ buddy.
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Open Source vs. Making Money vs. Freaking Lasers - Are we all Evil? With Chris Sells
Scott and I talked about the pressure to release software as open source versus the pressure to make money, and where Google, Microsoft and Apple were headed.
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A C++ guy learns JavaScript - Chris Sells moves to the Web
Scott caught me after I’d been up all night until 7am writing JavaScript and HTML. I got a very quick, very deep education on JavaScript and CSS.
- 2010
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Sells, Laverty and Flasko: Entity Framework 4, oData and PDC10
I gave Channel 9 a hallway tour of our group in Building 18, the same building Channel 9 had launched from six years earlier.
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Overview of the Microsoft ADO.NET Entity Framework 4.0 (DEV205)
Julie and I got the overview slot in the ADO.NET team’s Entity Framework 4.0 lineup.
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Chris Sells Live in Boston
Recorded on the DNR Road Trip at Microsoft in Cambridge, while I was working on guidance for when to use OData, EF, RIA Services, et al.
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Hanselminutes on 9 - Follow up, 6 months later, with Chris Sells on Managing People and Your Time
The pull quote: “Developers at Microsoft write code. Program Managers at Microsoft delete email.” (Joke. We also move email into folders and schedule meetings.)
- 2009
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Building Data-Driven Applications Using Microsoft Project Code Name “Quadrant” and Microsoft Project Code Name “M” (FT50)
I was sure this was the talk with the longest title at the PDC.
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Chris Sells in on DataDude
Recorded at DevReach in Sofia, Bulgaria. It was fun and I think it turned out well.
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Five Minutes with Chris Sells
From my role at Microsoft to my dreams of exploring other galaxies in about five minutes.
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Hanselminutes on 9 - Chris Sells on Managing People and Your Time
Scott had just been made a lead, so he took me to lunch at the food court to ask how his life would change by managing a team.
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Expert to Expert: Martin Fowler and Chris Sells - Perspectives on Domain Specific Languages
Martin gave the keynote at the DSL DevCon I organized, and then we sat down to talk about the history and future of DSLs.
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Chris Sells: On the History of DevCon, DSLs and Oslo
I’d been hosting DevCons for five years by then, and I called this one the best DevCon ever.
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Developing RESTful Services and Clients with “M” (T11F)
The plan: Doug talks about RESTful services in “M” while I type furiously trying to keep up.
- 2008
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Oslo is Love with Chris Sells
COM spread the love between developers of multiple languages. Oslo spreads the love between domain experts, developers and IT folks.
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“Oslo”: Repository and Models (TL28)
This was the week we announced “Oslo,” after about 3.5 years of work that started as a modeling incubation in the Connected Systems Division.
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Show Us Your Home: Scott Hanselman Edition
Rory was on the camera and I was on the open mic for a tour of Scott’s OCD wiring, Windows Home Server and Xboxen.
- 2007
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The Worst Show Ever with Chris Sells and Rory Blyth
Scott’s own warning: “if you listen, you’ll never get the time back.”
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Box and Sells on the State of Publishing
Don’s my long-time mentor, and we covered a myriad of things, especially the state of book publishing.
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Chris Sells and Scott Look Forward (Part 2 of 2)
In this half, we speculated on the next fifteen years of personal computing and programming. Fifteen years from 2007 was 2022, so feel free to check our work.
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Chris Sells and Scott Look Back (Part 1 of 2)
Scott came over to my house and we made up a topic, but it’s really just an excuse to have a good ol’ time. Sorry about the coughing. Allergies…
- 2006
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MSDN Webcast: Open Source in the Enterprise
I joined from Lake Oswego as a laptop on a chair in front of my own cardboard cutout, swiveled so I could follow the panel.
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Scott Interviews Chris Sells
It took a while, but I was finally able to horn in on an episode. We set the world straight on spelunking, too.
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Chris Sells on Model-Driven Development
Model-Driven Development was my current passion, but I also asked what big honkin’ plasma TV I should get. Richard set me straight.
- 2005
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We Have Arrived!
Carl had five of us on to celebrate the 100th show, me included.
- 2004
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Chris Sells Checks In
On how I learn new things, I only remember talking about two strategies: “ignoring the docs” and “hyperventilating.”
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Reflections on Connections
I thought I was calling into a conference call after the brothers Sells went to bed. Then they told me I was actually broadcasting live. Ooops. : )
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Chris Sells - What’s the most surprising thing you’ve learned since coming to Microsoft?
The one where I express my surprise that we ever manage to ship anything at all, let alone the best stuff there is.
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Chris Sells - How do you become an MSDN author?
After I explained how anyone could write for MSDN, the Channel 9 folks posted my email address in the comments for would-be authors.
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Chris Sells — Tour of MSDN
Matt Powell made a quiz out of it: “According to Chris, what does PAG stand for?” followed by “What does PAG really stand for?”
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Chris Sells - Is it really true that you’re working on a Longhorn version of Solitaire?
I claimed Solitaire is the most used Windows application. Watching it now, I need to chill a bit and maybe take a breath now and again. : )
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Tony Bain on SQL
Rory and I interviewed Tony and took callers. If the sound test the night before was any indication, we also talked a lot of smack.
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Carl Franklin interviewed by Chris Sells and Rory
Carl had interviewed everybody but had never been interviewed himself, so Rory and I turned the tables. The result is Carl rambling on in pure bliss for almost two hours. : )
- 2003
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SYS-CON Radio Interviews Chris Sells
They billed me as a “Software Legend.” It’s somewhat painful to listen to me with a cold, though.
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Managed Code
Everyone Robert had on tap for the demo was busy, so eventually they got to the last monkey in the barrel and had to settle for me. : )
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Chris Sells (Again)
Carl, Mark and I got from Longhorn and my new Windows Forms book to the new Matrix movie, with a stop at “to GAC or not to GAC?”
- 2002
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Chris Sells
92 minutes, in which I finally clear up the age-old question of why C++ programmers feel so superior to mere humans.
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Mark Anders
I wasn’t the guest. I just couldn’t resist calling in and giving Mark a hard time. : )
